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Dr. S L Bhyrappa on Distorting Indian History

Dr. S L Bhyrappa’s path-breaking novel ಆವರಣ was released in 2007. About a year before the novel was published, Bhyrappa wrote an article titled ‘Nationalism can Never be Strengthened by Projecting Historical Lies.’ This led to a heated discussion. Bhyrappa wrote a follow-up article in response to some of his ‘secularist’ critics like Girish Karnad, who had unjustly tried to whitewash the atrocities committed by Islamic fanatics like Tughlaq and Tipu. Bhyrappa’s second article was titled ‘What would be the Fate of Truth if a Historian takes Liberties like a Fiction Author?’ This is an abridged translation of the original; it first appeared in Folks Magazine on 20 May 2012.

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I am grateful to Sri Girish Karnad, Sumatheendra Nadig, Dr. Chidananda Murthy, Dr. Suryanath Kamath, Dr. S. Shettar, Shatavadhani Dr. R. Ganesh and others who responded earnestly to my article under the title ‘Nationalism can Never be Strengthened by Projecting Historical Lies.’ To continue the discussions about Mohammed Bin Tughlaq and Tipu Sultan would be just an exercise in extracting more details. What we really need to do is to analyze the present political attitudes in teaching history. In order to do this, let me first present what I learnt of the nature of the prevailing political control through my own experience.

During the year 1969-70 the Central Government under Mrs. Indira Gandhi established a committee under the Chairmanship of G. Parthasarathy, a diplomat close to Nehru-Gandhi family. Its task was to integrate the nation through education. At that time I was a reader in Educational Philosophy at NCERT and was selected as one of the five members of the committee. In our first meeting Mr. Parthasarathy, as Chairman of the committee explained the purpose of our committee in typically diplomatic language: “It is our duty not to sow the seeds of thorns in the minds of the growing children which will grow up as barriers to national integration. Such thorns are found mostly in the history courses. Occasionally we can find them in language and social science courses also. We have to weed them out. We have to include only such thoughts that go towards inculcating the concept of national integration firmly in the minds of our children. This committee carries this great responsibility.”

The other four members were nodding respectfully. But I said, “Sir, I am unable to understand your words. Will you please explain with a few illustrations?” The Chairman responded: “Ghazni Mohammed looted the Somnath Temple, Aurangzeb built mosques by demolishing the temples in Kashi and Mathura, he collected jizya — is it possible to build a strong India under the present circumstances by conveying such useless facts? What purpose do they serve, other than generating hatred?”

“But are they not historical truths?” I persisted.

“Plenty of truths are there. Using these truths judiciously is the wise way to teach history,” he retorted. The remaining four members simply nodded their heads saying, “Yes, yes.” But I was not prepared to let him off.

“You yourself gave examples of Kashi and Mathura. Even today, lakhs of pilgrims from all corners of the country visit these places every year. They can see for themselves the huge mosques built using the walls, pillars and columns that once belonged to demolished temples. They can also see a recently built cow shed like shack in a corner, behind the mosque, that serves as their temple. All these pilgrims are distressed to witness such awful structures. They describe the plight of their temples to their relatives after they return home. Can this create national integration? You can hide such history in the school texts. But can we hide such facts when these children go on excursions and see the truth for themselves? Researchers have listed more than thirty thousand such ruined temples in India. Can we hide them all?”

Mr. Parthasarthy interrupted me and asked: “You are a professor of philosophy. Can you please tell us what is the purpose of history?”

“Nobody can define the purpose of history. We do not know how the things will shape up because of the development of science and technology in the future. Some western thinkers might call it the philosophy of history. But such thoughts are futile. Our discussion here should be — what is the purpose of teaching history? History is seeking out the truths about our past events, learning about ancient human lives by studying the inscriptions, records, literary works, relics, artifacts, etc. We should learn also not to commit the same blunders that our predecessors committed. We have to imbibe the noble qualities that they adopted; historical truths help us to learn all these things.”

“What if this search for truth hurts the feelings of the minority? Can we divide society? Can we sow the seeds of poison?” He tried to stop me with these questions.

“Sir, the categorization on the lines of majority and minority would itself be dividing the society, or at least a step towards dividing the society. This idea of ‘seeds of poison’ is prejudiced. Why should the minority think of Gazni Mohammed and Aurangzeb as their own people and heroes? Mughal kingdom was destroyed by the religious bigotry of Aurangzeb. It was at its height in Akbar’s time because his policy of tolerance led to religious and social harmony. Can’t we teach such lessons to children without offending the historical truths? Before teaching the lessons to be learnt from the history, should we not explain the historical truths? This idea of hiding true history is driven politics. This trend will not last long. Whether they are minority or majority, if the education does not impart the character to face the truth with emotional maturity, such education is meaningless and also dangerous.” I replied.

Parthasarathy agreed. He said he appreciated my scholarship and the ability to think clearly. During the lunch break he called me aside, indicated his closeness to me by placing his hand on my shoulders. He then said with a winning smile: “What you say is correct academically. You go and write an article about what you said. But when the government formulates a policy covering the whole nation, it has to consider the interests of all the people. Intellectually pure principles do not serve any purpose.”

Next day when we met, I stuck to my stand. I argued that history that is not based on truth is futile and dangerous. I did not budge even when Parthasarathy showed his irritation on his face. The morning session closed without arriving at any conclusion. Parthasarathy did not speak to me again. We met again after a fortnight. The committee had been re-structured, without me. In my place was a lecturer in history by name Arjun Dev known for his leftist leanings. The revised text books of science and social studies published by NCERT and the new lessons that were introduced in these texts were written under his guidance. These are the books which were prescribed as texts in the Congress and Communist ruled states or they guided the text-book writers in these States.

Later, I commented on this in a speech I gave at Alwas Nudisiri, in October 2005:

In the NCERT books for XI standard, the Ancient India part is written by the Marxist historian R.S. Sharma and the Medieval India part is by Satish Chandra, also a Marxist. When examined, one can observe that how members belonging to this group had a scheme to brainwash the minds of growing children. According to them Ashoka preached to respect even [stress is mine] Brahmins by advocating the quality of tolerance. He had banned the ritual of sacrificing the animals and birds. When the performance of yajnas was stopped due to this ban, Brahmins lost their share of dakshina (cash gifts) and their livelihood was affected. The Maurya empire disintegrated after Ashoka and many parts of this kingdom came under the rule of Brahmins.

How childish can one be — to claim that a highly influential religion that had spread all over India and even beyond declined because dissatisfied Brahmins were deprived of their dakshina (cash gifts)? Their other claim is that Muslims demolished temples to loot the riches and wealth accumulated in these temples. This explanation is supposed to rationalize their actions. In some other context they may even say the looting may be according to the laws of Sharia, which again paints the events as legally sanctioned.

Actually, Buddhism did not disappear from India after Ashoka. The truth was told by Dr. B. R. Ambedkar, a Buddhist himself. In the section, The Decline and Fall of Buddhism (Writings and Speeches, Volume III, Government of Maharashtra, 1987, pp. 229-38) he noted that after Muslim invaders destroyed the universities of Nalanda, Vikramasheela, Jagaddala, Odanthapura, etc., followed by brutal killings of the Buddhist monks, the survivors were forced to escape to Nepal, Tibet, and other neighbouring countries to save their lives. As he wrote, “The roots of Buddhism were axed. Islam killed Buddhism by killing priestly class of Buddhism. This is the worst catastrophe suffered by Buddhism in India.”

Like the Devil quoting the scriptures, Marxists quote Ambedkar whenever it is convenient for them to denigrate Hinduism, but ignore his inconvenient words like, “The decline of Buddhism in India is due to the terrifying actions of Muslims.” R.S. Sharma the author of a textbook on Ancient India (New Delhi: NCERT, 1992. p. 112) writes, “Buddha viharas attracted Turkish invaders because of their wealth. They were the special greedy targets for the invaders. Turks killed many Buddhist monks. Despite these killings, many monks escaped to Nepal and Tibet.”

Who were these Turks? Hindus? Here the clever Marxist Sharma has hidden the fact that these ‘Turks’ were Muslims who destroyed these religious places as dictated by Sharia (Islamic Law). He tries to hide this fact by calling Muslims of Turkey with only the tribal name Turkish. At the same time they (he and others) write that Buddhism declined during Ashoka’s reign because of Brahmins who were deprived of their dakshina (monetary gifts). One should appreciate their sophistry — hiding the truth about Turks being Muslims, but creating the falsehood that Brahmins deprived of dakshina were responsible for the decline of Buddhism after Ashoka. Latin rhetoricians called such a tactic suppressio veri, suggestio falsi.

Translated by Sandeep Balakrishna from the original Kannada.

Dr. S L Bhyrappa s l bhyrappa Dr. S L Bhyrappa on Distorting Indian History s l bhyrappa

Dr. S L Bhyrappa

Arguably the foremost novelist of modern India, S L Bhyrappa began his literary journey in the 1950s with a few of his works being published for private circulation. In 1961, his first major work Dharmashree was published and ever since, he has written several masterpieces such as Aavarana, Daatu, Grhabhanga, Mandra, Nele, Parva, and Vamshavrksha.
Dr. S L Bhyrappa s l bhyrappa Dr. S L Bhyrappa on Distorting Indian History s l bhyrappa
  • s.dinni

    Waste of time and energy to comment as such things go on endlessly.

  • s.dinni

    Do any man of literature in Karnataka knows ‘all about water education’ and its urgency in today’s world?
    We live in inhuman,senseless world that has no feeling for even for drinking water, leave aside love for nature,trees, birds,livestock…etc…… Just example…..Bengaluru is dying we are doomed due to water scarcity. Still world around say it is great city. Rolling on new of words ( ultimately ashes in the mouth) to escape from from harsh facts. Repeating dead history. What have we learnt from history? As some one said ‘ when we do not learn anything from history, we are condemned to repeat. F E E L…. ( meaning love). sensitivity in all our relationships s dying , if not already dead. Let Byrappas and also so called progressives thinkers on what J,Krishnamurti has to say on life.

  • Kumar Ranganathan

    Now we know why this joker G Parthsarathy masquerades as foreign policy expert mostly on NDTV, India Today, etc. It is a shame such crooks mortgage their brain to someone else. Let us weed them out with truth and we are grateful to the author for exposing the so called saboteurs of history.

  • Internet-Hindu

    Another sophistry these leftist historians indulge in is by distinguishing between good invaders and bad invaders just like good Taliban and bad Taliban. They tell us that invaders who came to loot only were bad and those who came to loot, settle and rule us were good implying in a way that it was the fault of native population that we did not welcome these peaceful settlers and hence they were right to massacre us. To see how ridiculous this sounds, imagine a gang of thieves who come to your house, rob you and leave be called bad versus a gang of dacoits who attack your house, behead all men above 12, r@pe the women even as young as 8 years old and enslave the kids and start living in your house be called good.

  • Narasimhan Ramabhadran

    Because of such distortions by leftist historians Hindu fundamentalists go to the other extreme and make fantastic claims about Hindu achievements in medicine, science and technology. Passive support by leftists and moderate Muslims to Islamic terrorism emboldens Hindu fundamentalists to silence progressive and rationalist Hindus. History should have no ideology but exposing Truth however unpleasant it may be. Has not Christianity accepted scientific versions of creation? Islam does not

  • Rangaesh Gadasalli

    Very good BhyrappaG. You stood your ground. ParthasarathyG was Indian ambassador to Pakistan and is an expertise on Pakistan and even now he gas some soft corner for Pakistan. Whope nation wanted to be a Hindu rashta after Partition. Godse destroyed that. Nehru wanted to destroy any attempt to convert India to a Hindustan.so he hung on toe Muslims and scared them about the satanic Hindu foces. He use Marxists through JNU and other places to destroy Indian history with glorification of Muslim rule and under estimation of great Hindu empires. History books had chapters after chapters on Moghuls and nothing much on great emperors like Vijayngara, chola and Shivahi and Mouryas etc. Congress with minority votes and with 35% of vote managed to rule the nation for decades. One PM who showed guts,shastriG was sent to heavens with Russian help. Netaji and other national leades like Patel and Savarkar were demonized. Tirty hank god m that now this treachery against Bharath and Sanathan dharam is exposed, we are getting the true history of India with solid evidence. what the books did has been taken up by anti national Bolly wood which is funded by Muslim under world from middle east, that movies are getting made to tell lies about Hindu kings and Muslim fanatic kings are getting portrayed as romantic, generous, tolerant and what not. thanks to Rajiv Malhotra and others who are doing lot of research in to the assaults on Hindu religion. Nehru the man loved british womena dnd Islaimic culture did not care a damn about Hindu religion or culture. He allowed a missionary to change the namen of Naga pradesh as Nagaland and allowed all the north east to be converted to christianity time to educate the people of India about the dirty deeds of the fake gandhi, now italian dynasty who wants to continue to denigrate Hindu religion. hope more young people follow SL BhyrappaG and Rajiv MalhotraG and seek the truth, and nothing but the truth.

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  • KBR

    IMHO it is not the same G Parthasarathy that you are referring to. There was another diplomat by the same name. The confusion is quite natural.
    Ref
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopalaswami_Parthasarathy

  • sooraj thekkedath

    very good words about truth and these kind of truths should come out to public domain for discussions. thanks for Sandeep Balakrishna also.

  • Barbaric Opinion

    He is not the G Parthasarathy the writer is referring to.

  • Brig inder Jit Chopra

    Aim of history is to find the truth about our past and not to serve political agenda of the party in power.Glad we are now realising the damage done to our country by policies of Nehru and Congress.Let us hope BJP Government takes on itself to undo the damage caused by distorting our history.

  • Amit Roy

    Rascal Congress and Communists distorted Islamic terrorism so that Muslim vote bank can be captured. All the rapists, looters and murderers were praised instead.

  • JayZ

    Then why you here wasting “our” time.Move on “ABD”.

  • JayZ

    Many a Ropers propagate the good taliban view during discussions. eg:”The muslims came to India fell in love with the people and have made it their home”.

  • JayZ

    Where were you when the construction industry was in full flow? Now you wake up? FYI this isnt the forum for it.

  • gopikayx Gopalakrishna

    I thought Mr. G parthasarathy was a rational bureaucrat. I lost all respect for him after I read the article of Dr.sl bhyrappa.he also proved to be one of those rubber stamps. Such people will sell our religion.I am ashamed to call him a Hindu Brahmin that too he is Named after the great deity parthasarathy.what a shame.our country has lost all its splendour and the culture and teachings which our gurus and rishis have preserved for centuries now.people who were ruling for 50 years have repeatedly ruined our culture and image as a strong Hindu nation though we were constitutionally secular which was also amended and introduced by Indira Gandhi.

  • gopikayx Gopalakrishna

    Every one is targetting BJP for raising their voice for hindutva. Why not? what is wrong? We are so marginalised in the last 50 years that our country is heading towards a catastrophe.we all Hindus should join together enmasse to fight against the opposition parties who are creating rift and trying to subdue the sentiments of Hindus. Nobody should be spared.Hindus will be respectful to other religion that does not mean the leaders trying to erase the religion in the name of vote bank politics.

  • Awesome article! SL Bhyrappa _/_

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  • Anshoe

    We shall not only rewrite the correct history, but also create Gurukul education system again – shun every other school for the betterment of our future generations. There is no need of these useless schools which can dare to ban the spoken national language & try to fine the students. Such places should be torn down anyway – they can’t do any good to our Bharat desh except for producing mass of ‘I don’t know what am I doing’ Englishmen , ready to leave the country for some dollars !

  • Anshoe

    All fools think they could mend history & people wouldn’t realise ! We shall not only rewrite the correct history, but also create Gurukul education system again – shun every other school for the betterment of our future generations. There is no need of these useless schools which can dare to ban the spoken national language & try to fine the students. Such places should be torn down anyway – they can’t do any good to our Bharat desh except for producing mass of ‘I don’t know what am I doing’ Englishmen , ready to leave the country for some dollars !

  • Anshoe

    Liers- they used fear to serve their motives & brutality to keep damaging our cultural heritage. No more lies permitted. I think we must start by renaming everything Aurangzeb in our Bharat desh. Then raise smaraks(statues) of every known Braveheart like Bhagat Singh ji, Azad, Tilak

  • Anshoe

    No More sir. The Bharatiya common people are waking up now. United we stand to show exit to anyone who spreads hatred now

  • Anshoe

    Good thought however wrong thread ! Please state this where people are planning to stop the Industrial revolution

  • Anshoe

    Seems somewhat easy now if we know they distorted a lot of our history & hid the cruelty of shameful mughal rulers – let us consider everything told in our history as its opposite 🙂 If they say, one emperor was good, READ TYRANT … if someone Praises another emperor , CONSIDER HIM WORTHY OF being KICKED EVERYDAY

  • Rathiraj

    Excellent. Now with the direct attacks on the Hindu by slaughtering cows and abusing languages, the Congress and Communists are soon set to meet their nemesis.

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  • K K

    leftist /communist /congress traitors and other anti-national anti-Hindu caricatures have embedded themselves into positions of influence in education, politics and media in India. the list is long and growing: Prannoy Roy, Sagarika Ghose, Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai, Arundhati Roy, Amartya Sen, Naresh Fernandes, Akash Banerjee, Sanjay Hegde, Swati Chaturvedi, Sheila Rashi, etc. these scum of the earth will sell their mothers for a few dinars. until such anti-nationals are eradicated from the national scene, they will continue to do damage using their pens and loud mouths

  • K K

    Bravo, Dr Bhyrappa, Hindus will be grateful for your pure and powerful expression of truth and exposing the long-perpetuated propaganda of the pseudo-secular hypocrites of the congress, left and communist in India. these parasites are to be held solely responsible for the massive repercussions to follow from their criminal distortion of Hindu history and culture, which the country will surely experience in the near future.

  • K K

    what “fantastic claims about Hindu achievements in medicine, science and technology” ? no doubt people like you have grown up on the diet of ncert bullshit and think they are qualified to make “educated” comments on the Hindu achievements. Idiots with low-self-esteem like yourself probably need “western” scholars to convince of the so-called “fantastic claims”. if so, just read up on the literature by the western “scientific community” on the topic of Hindu achievements, before opening your stupid mouth

  • K K

    @s.dinni – PL. NOTE: this article by Dr Bhyrappa and comments herein are not meant for retards. hope that information helps…. now you go back to watching porn.

  • Narasimhan Ramabhadran

    I was school-educated before NCERT. One fantastic claim is VaimaaNika Shaastra. I too can call you names. But I am not going to stoop to your fundamentalist and irrational level. Other ‘historical’ claims are: Ramaavatara happened 17 lakh years ago and Adi Sankara was born 2550 years ago. Whether western or other, scholars have to study available literary and archaeological material and draw conclusions objectively, without pre-conceived notions of glory or shame

  • K K

    Again you show your narrow ‘education’ and how you have been utterly brainwashed by the leftists and communists and as their stooge you over enthusiastically denigrate Hinduism and derive some sort of a sick pleasure wearing it as a ‘secular badge’.

    Probably your communist comrades passed on to you, the absurd rumor that “Ramavatara happened 17 lakh years ago”.
    Ramayana 1.18.8,9 states:
    Rama was born on the Navami tithi of Shukla Paksha of Chaitra masa (9th day of the increasing phase of the moon in the lunar month of Chaitra). At that time, the nakshatra was Punarvasu, and Sun, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and Venus were in Anes,Capricorn, libra, Cancer and Pisces respectively. Lagna was Cancer and Jupiter and moon were shining together.
    Dr. Narhari Achar, professor of physics at the University of Memphis, Tennessee, has used advanced Palnetarium Software to identify exact dates of various events based on astronomical data in the Ramayana (including Rama’s birth as above):
    Rama’s Birth: 10 January 5114 BCE, 12:30PM
    Other dates are also calculated based on the Ramayana:
    11 Jan 5114 BC Birth of Bharatha
    4 Jan 5089 BC Pre coronation eve
    7 Oct 5077 BC Khar Dushan episode
    3 Apr 5076 BC Vali Vadham
    12 Sep 5076 BC Hanuman’s visit to Lanka
    14 Sep 5076 BC Hanuman’s return from Lanka
    20 Sep 5076 BC Army march to Lanka
    12 Oct 5076 BC Army reach Ravana’s Fort
    24 Nov 5076 BC Meghanatha killed

    I can answer your every single stupid question with scientific proofs but I am not going to waste my time with you or every leftist communist brainwashed zombie that crosses my path and spreads lies.
    And oh, by the way – you cannot stoop even if you wanted to, you’ve already hit rock bottom. Forget about my level, if you wanted to rise to be even a basic-level Hindu, start by removing your retarded communist blinkers.

  • K K

    To all the self-proclaimed “progressive and rationalist Hindus” and other leftist communist anti-Hindu rats that are wincing in pain from Dr Bhyrappa’s slap: Do not waste the limited resources afforded by your pea-brain by coming on here to make stupid comments. You shall fool no one.

  • Narasimhan Ramabhadran

    I do not dispute these claims. I was only questioning the claim by old time and hard core Hindutva people. By yelling you seem to think your logic is right. Calm down and discuss in an academic manner. I have nothing to gain by accepting or disputing various claims. I am a seeker of truth and expect reasonable evidence, not a leftist

  • K K

    I show my disgust at retards who come on public forums pretending to be “progressive” Hindus and make lazy, half-read criticisms about Hinduism. But I have no issues if you admit you a leftist / communist because it is what is expected of them – it is evident that is what you are at heart.
    If you are a “seeker of truth” and have a penchant for “questioning”, why don’t you read widely and seek those answers yourself instead of parroting communist manufactured fake claims regarding Hinduism that are bereft of any facts (like your claim on Ramavatara of “14 lakh years ago)?
    Did you check if any of your “Hindu claims” represent all Hindus?
    All those so-called “claims” that you mention were manufactured by communists/leftists (like the “fake news”) and cherry picked by their brainwashed minions (such as yourself) to try and muddy the waters, create confusion and doubt among ordinary Hindus regarding their own history and culture.
    Now, my questions to you are:
    1. Did you look for the scientific studies and conclusions drawn by world’s leading scientists regarding various aspects of Hindu culture, history and scientific / technological prowess evident in the archaeological records?
    This shows that your only interest is repeating propagating baseless rumours that you have heard elsewhere and trying to look ‘enlightened’ on a public forum. It is obvious you are a hypocrite.
    2. why should other Hindus answer you or care to convince you? If you are genuinely confused and seek answers, it is your responsibility to make the effort to read WIDELY (i mean not just leftist/marxist writers such as Devdutt Pattanaik, Romila thapar, etc.). If you do, I can guarantee you will find all answers to your silly questions yourself.

    Your attitude to Hinduism is the result of your being school-educated before ncert, which was even worse than ncert. it was built on the well documented lord macaulay / east india company bias in which education and propaganda was specifically aimed at misinformation of Hindu culture while elevating islamic culture – and hiding its repulsive history – as a way of ‘divide and rule’ – which the congress shamelessly adopted after Independence.
    Unfortunately not all Indians can see through the decades of false propaganda drip fed into them and most of them do not know the real history of India – nor do they really care, but nevertheless think they are qualified to freely comment upon without being held accountable.
    Any person with half a brain who can read Dr Bhyrappa’s article, would understand why a whole generation of Indians have grown up to be retarded in this area having been administered with the ncert (and pre-ncert) bullshit.
    Finally, apologetic leftist psuedo-secular/liberalists and their acolytes in the media, educational and political landscape, that use minority appeasement to the extent of being unhesitatingly anti-Hindu and anti-national in order to prove their so-called “secular” credentials, have no place in India of today

  • K K

    I show my disgust at retards who come on public forums pretending to be “progressive” Hindus and make lazy, half-read criticisms about Hinduism. But I have no issues if you admit you a leftist / communist because it is what is expected of them – it is evident that is what you are at heart.
    If you are a “seeker of truth” and have a penchant for “questioning”, why don’t you read widely and seek those answers yourself instead of parroting communist manufactured fake claims regarding Hinduism that are bereft of any facts (like your claim on Ramavatara of “14 lakh years ago)?
    Did you check if any of your “Hindu claims” represent all Hindus?
    All those so-called “claims” that you mention were manufactured by communists/leftists (like the “fake news”) and cherry picked by their brainwashed minions (such as yourself) to try and muddy the waters, create confusion and doubt among ordinary Hindus regarding their own history and culture.
    Now, my questions to you are:
    1. Did you look for the scientific studies and conclusions drawn by world’s leading scientists regarding various aspects of Hindu culture, history and scientific / technological prowess evident in the archaeological records?
    This shows that your only interest is repeating propagating baseless rumours that you have heard elsewhere and trying to look ‘enlightened’ on a public forum. It is obvious you are a hypocrite.
    2. why should other Hindus answer you or care to convince you? If you are genuinely confused and seek answers, it is your responsibility to make the effort to read WIDELY (i mean not just leftist/marxist writers such as Devdutt Pattanaik, Romila thapar, etc.). If you do, I can guarantee you will find all answers to your silly questions yourself.

    Your attitude to Hinduism is the result of your being school-educated before ncert, which was even worse than ncert. it was built on the well documented lord macaulay / east india company bias in which education and propaganda was specifically aimed at misinformation of Hindu culture while elevating islamic culture – and hiding its repulsive history – as a way of ‘divide and rule’ – which the congress shamelessly adopted after Independence.
    Unfortunately not all Indians can see through the decades of false propaganda drip fed into them and most of them do not know the real history of India – nor do they really care, but nevertheless think they are qualified to freely comment upon without being held accountable.
    Any person with half a brain who can read Dr Bhyrappa’s article, would understand why a whole generation of Indians have grown up to be retarded in this area having been administered with the ncert (and pre-ncert) bullshit.
    Finally, apologetic leftist psuedo-secular/liberalists and their acolytes in the media, educational and political landscape, that use minority appeasement to the extent of being unhesitatingly anti-Hindu and anti-national in order to prove their so-called “secular” credentials, have no place in India of today

  • K K

    I have no issues if you admit you a leftist / communist because it is what is expected of them, it is evident that is what you are at heart.
    If you are a “seeker of truth” with a penchant for “questioning”, instead of making lazy half-read criticisms about Hinduism, why don’t you read widely and seek those answers yourself instead of parroting communist manufactured fake claims regarding Hinduism that are bereft of any facts (like your claim on Ramavatara of “14 lakh years ago)?
    Did you check if any of your “Hindu claims” represent all Hindus?
    All those so-called fake “claims” that you mention are used by brainwashed minions (such as yourself) to try and muddy the waters, create confusion and doubt among ordinary Hindus regarding their own history and culture.
    Now, my questions to you are:
    1. Did you look for the scientific studies and conclusions drawn by world’s leading scientists regarding various aspects of Hindu culture, history and scientific / technological prowess evident in the archaeological records?
    2. why should other Hindus answer you or care to convince you? If you are genuinely confused and seek answers, it is your responsibility to make the effort to read WIDELY (i mean not just leftist/marxist writers such as Romila thapar, etc.). If you do, I can guarantee you will find all answers to your silly questions yourself.
    Your attitude to Hinduism of repeating/propagating baseless rumours you heard elsewhere to look ‘enlightened’ on a public forum, makes you a hypocrite.
    Your being school-educated before ncert, was even worse than ncert, built on the well documented lord macaulay / east india company bias in which education and propaganda was specifically aimed at misinformation of Hindu culture while elevating islamic culture – and hiding its repulsive history – as a way of ‘divide and rule’ – which the congress shamelessly adopted after Independence.
    Not all Indians can see through the decades of false propaganda drip fed to them but nevertheless think they are qualified to freely comment upon without being held accountable.
    Finally, apologetic leftist psuedo-secular/liberalists and their acolytes in the media, educational and political landscape, that use minority appeasement to the extent of being unhesitatingly anti-Hindu and anti-national in order to prove their so-called “secular” credentials, have no place in India of today

  • Narasimhan Ramabhadran

    I am a rationalist, not a communist. Your stridency and abuse provoke me to question even the above findings. Chronological and geographical mention are not valid evidence. Most fiction (stories, novels, ) mention real places, times and also some events like a celebration but they provide a backdrop for the description of fictional characters. Late Indologist Prof P L Bhargava provides the dynastic list of some personages with a correct perspective

  • K K

    Rationalist my ass. You believe whatever communist propaganda you like, nobody asked you to believe the truth. The rest of us have plenty of scientific research and proofs to be convinced of the truth.
    For example, communists like you also say the River Saraswati was a “myth” inspite of ISRO evidence and satellite imagery proving its existence:
    http://www.opindia.com/2018/01/isros-findings-should-put-an-end-to-the-myth-of-the-saraswati-river-being-a-myth/
    If you are lazy to do your own research and prefer to be a hollow baseless armchair critic, who cares you are free to join the retards.
    It is evident you are just a hollow attention-seeking pest, parroting sensational leftist communist propaganda on public forums because it makes you feel good and you think there are no consequences – in a nutshell, you are an old idiot beyond redemption.

  • Narasimhan Ramabhadran

    I am not disputing Bhyrappa’s writeup at all. Extrapolations by some other fundamentalist bigots like you are disputable.

  • Sonu Pandey

    मैं एक हिंदू हूँ और ये विश्वास करता हूँ कि रामायण काल कम से कम नौ लाख वर्ष पूर्व का है। यहाँ एक तर्क ग्रह नक्षत्रों की स्थिति का है। मैं विशेषज्ञ नहीं हूँ, पर ये कुछ संयोग कभी वार्षिक तो कभी हजारों वर्षों के अंतर पर दोहरते हैं, 5000 वर्ष पुरानी जो तारीख निकाली गई है, ग्रह नक्षत्रों का यह संयोग हजारों वर्षों के अंतराल पर दोहरता है, जो तारीख निकाली गई है, वह पिछली बार इस संयोग के दोहरनेकी तारीख है, वास्तविक रामायण कालकी नहीं।